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Dear colleagues!

Just to inform you that Mr. Marcel Kareš and me have started to work on Air Races among Little Entente (Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia and Romania) and Poland from 1927 to 1930. We hope we have enough information about Czechoslovak participation but have some problems with foreign contestants. Therefore we want to ask you for help such finding historic magazines and newspaper, photographs of pilots and their aeroplanes, pilot logbooks and other valuable materials. We suppose at least two years time duration of colecting all these information and then we want to publish Czech/English bilingual book about this interesting topic including air race specification and results, photographs, pilot CV and aircraft profiles. So I would like to ask all the Golden Years of Aviation lovers (especially those from Poland, Romania and former Yugoslavia) for any help.

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Michal Dub from Czech Republic
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Let's start with first year of the competition. It was held by the Kingdom of SHS on 28.8.-29.8.1927. The flight path was from Belgrade to Bratislava, Prague, Krakow, Warsaw and back. The list of Yugoslav contestants is from Czech magazine - there is Czech spelling of names as well as their military ranks:

No. 3, ndpor. Stojanovič and kpt. Mrak, Potez XXV, Lorraine-Ditrich 450 HP, did not finish the race, probably forced landing in Kingdom of SHS (?)
No. 4, škpt. Župančič and škpt. Koračin, Potez XXV SN 6, Lorraine-Ditrich 450 HP, 4th place
No. 5, ndpor. Nežmach and por. Dolanski, Potez XXV, Lorraine-Ditrich 450 HP, did not finish the race, probably stayed in Prague due to repair of the control surface (?)
No. 6, por. Bajdak and ndpor. Wikitin, Potez XXV, Lorraine-Ditrich 450 HP, did not finish the race, forced landing by Felbar (Slovakia) due to lack of fuel, their aricraft was sent next day to the Vajnory airfield (Bratislava) and sent by ship (!) to the SHS
No. 8 , mjr. Radovič and mjr. Kljajč, Breguet XIX, Lorraine-Ditrich 450 HP, 3rd place
No. 13, Striževski and Kovanjko, Fizir, Maybach 240 HP, 1st place
No. 14, por. Šintič and por. Šuk, Potez XXV, Lorraine-Ditrich 450 HP, did not finish the race, forced landing by Dunajská Streda (Slovakia) probably due to lack of fuel, they landed in the Vajnory airfield (Bratislava) in the afternoon but they flight to Prague was canceled

Can anybody help us with spelling check of names and military ranks of the Yugoslav contestants? It would be nice to know some details about these pilots such as date of bith, their career and so on.

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Michal Dub from Czech Republic
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Try to send PM to members Frka, Mario Raguž, prelude and markojeras. Maybe they have some information about competition.
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Hello, thank you for recommendation, I have already been in touch with Marko, he was faster Smile
I believe a I can post list of YuAF contestansts of other year of competition, enjoy!

The year of 1928 was held by the Czechoslovakia on 6.-13.8.1929. The flight path led from Praha to Kraków, Varszawa, Lwów, Iaşy and Bucuresti on the 8.8.1928 and from Bucuresti to Beograd, Zagreb, Brno and Praha on the 9.8.1928.

1; kpt. Hinko Hubl and Miodrag Lozić; Potez 25; Hispano 450; didn’t land in Iaşy - disqualified
2; cpt. Dragutin Rubčić and cpt. Dragutin Gvozdanović; Fizir; Hispano 450; didn’t reach altitude limit of 5000 m - disqualified
8; cpt. Janko Markičević and lt. Gaoro Škrivanić; Breguet 19; Hispano 500; didn’t arrive to Zagreb (forced landing???)
10; cmt. Dušan Radović and cpt. Vladislav Sondermayer; Breguet 19; Hispano 500; 5th place
11; cpt. Ferdo Gradišnik and cpt. Kamilo Lukanović; Potez 25; Hispano 450; didn’t reach altitude limit of 5000 m - disqualified
13; ser. Bogomil Jaklić and cpt. Franjo Rus; Fizir; Lorraine 450; didn’t reach altitude limit of 5000 m - disqualified


The year of 1929 was held by the Romania on 4.-7.9.1929. The flight path led from Bucuresti to Iaşy, Lwów, Varszawa, Kraków, Prostějov (without landing) and Praha on the 6.9.1929 and from Praha to Brno, Zagreb, Beograd and Bukurešť on the 7.9.1929.

1; mjr. D. Radovitch (Radovič?); Dewoitine D 27; didn’t finish the race (probably forced landing?)
2; por. Leonid Baydak (Bajdak); Avia BH-33-E-SHS; 3rd place
7; kpt. Z Chintitch (Šintić?), Avia BH-33-E-SHS; 4th place
11; kpt. Janko Markitehevich (Markičević?); Avia BH-33-E-SHS; forced landing near Pardubice (Czechoslovakia); flew to Prague next day and followed the flight path out of competition
14; kpt. Dr. Roubtchitch; Dewoitine D 27; forced landing near Radomsko (Poland);
16; mjr. M. Navratil; Dewoitine D 27; didn’t finish the race (probably forced landing?)


The year of 1930 was held by the Poland on 23.8.-1.9.1930. The flight path led from Varszawa to Lwów (without landing), Praha, Zagreb (without landing) and Beograd on the 27.8.1930 and from Beograd to Bucuresti, Iaşy (without landing), Poznań, and Varszawa on the 28.8.1930.

1; kpt. Jerolím Novák; npor. Milan Mandrašewič; SHS; Breguet 19; Hispano 650;3rd place
2; kpt. Dragutin Rubčič; npor. Ninola Mikec; SHS; Breguet 19; Hispano 650; 4th place
3; kpt. Hinko Hubl; npor. Dragutin Dolanski; SHS; Breguet 19; Hispano 650; 5 th place
4; kpt. Zlatko Šintič; kpt. Kamlio Lukanovič; SHS; Breguet 19; Hispano 650; 1 th place
5; kpt. Siniša Nikolič; por. Dobrivoj Popovič; SHS; Potez 25; Jupiter 425; didn’t finish the race (probably disqualified?)
6; rtm. Ivan Pavelič; npor. Obren Milovanovič; SHS; Breguet 19; Hispano 650; didn’t finish the race (probably disqualified?)

Names of the towns were taken from The 1929 Europe and the Near East map available on http://www.maps.com/map.aspx?pid=15962
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Thank you for sharing that data with us. It is interesting to see some well known names of aviators who later participated in WW2, like Dragutin Rubčić and Leonid Bajdak. It would be interesting if you have some pictures of the airplanes which attended contest. I see name M. Navratil between contestors. Is he a son (or some other family relation) of WW1 ace Friedrich Navratil?
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It is the one and only, Miroslav Friedrich Navratil Wink
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markojeras Napisao/la:
It is the one and only, Miroslav Friedrich Navratil Wink
Embarassed Thanx. So it was his first name. It is only his second name Friedrich in most books I read about KuK aircraft aces...
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markojeras Napisao/la:
It is the one and only, Miroslav Friedrich Navratil Wink
Embarassed Thanx. So it was his first name. It is only his second name Friedrich in most books I read about KuK aircraft aces...


His name was Miroslav, Friedrich is his german (KUK) name from ww1

ili na hrvatski bi se reklo germanizirano

and this name in list (from 1929) 14; kpt. Dr. Roubtchitch is 2; kpt. Dragutin Rubčič (from 1930)
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It would be interesting if you have some pictures of the airplanes which attended contest.


Of course we have! But many of them are from historical newspapers and magazines and the quality is poor. For example there are pictures of:

No. 4, škpt. Župančič and škpt. Koračin, Potez XXV SN 6, Lorraine-Ditrich 450 HP, 4th place
No. 13, Striževski and Kovanjko, Fizir, Maybach 240 HP, 1st place

in Czechoslovak magazine "Letectvi" (Aviation) of the year 1927. If you tell me how to post pictures here I can show you some samples.
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Grunf Napisao/la:
It would be interesting if you have some pictures of the airplanes which attended contest.


Of course we have! But many of them are from historical newspapers and magazines and the quality is poor. For example there are pictures of:

No. 4, škpt. Župančič and škpt. Koračin, Potez XXV SN 6, Lorraine-Ditrich 450 HP, 4th place
No. 13, Striževski and Kovanjko, Fizir, Maybach 240 HP, 1st place

in Czechoslovak magazine "Letectvi" (Aviation) of the year 1927. If you tell me how to post pictures here I can show you some samples.
Try to follow these instructions:
http://www.maketarstvo.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5215
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Grunf Napisao/la:
Try to follow these instructions:
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As I promised, couple of pictures of YuAF aircraft. It is interesting fact, that all competition numbers seem to be hand painted. Enjoy!


No. 4, škpt. Župančič and škpt. Koračin, Potez XXV SN 6, Lorraine-Ditrich 450 HP, 4th place (from Letectvi No. 9/1927)


No. 13, Striževski and Kovanjko, Fizir, Maybach 240 HP, 1st place (from Letectvi No. 9/1927)
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Tnx, Michal, useful pics.
I found this scan, but I suppose that the undersign are wrong ´cause first L. Entente race was in 1927. Maybe it was one of local yugoslav King´s Cup race ...
Unfortunetaly, I don´t know who possesed original photo.

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And one more ... somewhere from net ... But this is L.Entente race for sure.
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prelude Napisao/la:
Maybe it was one of local yugoslav King´s Cup race ...


I believe it is from the year of 1928:

11; cpt. Ferdo Gradišnik and cpt. Kamilo Lukanović; Potez 25; Hispano 450; didn’t reach altitude limit of 5000 m - disqualified
13; ser. Bogomil Jaklić and cpt. Franjo Rus; Fizir; Lorraine 450; didn’t reach altitude limit of 5000 m - disqualified

I have got similar phot with more planes in the background...
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Oaker Napisao/la:
I have got similar phot with more planes in the background...



It is from book "Vzduch je naše moře (The air is our sea)" by Jiří Rajlich and Jiří Sehnal. You can see Breguet 19 No 10. of cmt. Dušan Radović and cpt. Vladislav Sondermayer (5th place) and Letov Š-316 No. 18 of škpt. František Klepš and mjr. Karel Janoušek (3rd place) in the background.
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